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Health Disparities Cause More Health Issues (with Dr/ Howard)

Health Disparities Cause More Health Issues (with Dr/ Howard)

00:00:00 – 00:05:01

Welcome to fading memories, a podcast with advice, wisdom and hope from caregivers who have lived the experience and survived to tell the tale. Think of us as your caregiver, best friend. When I learned that despite eating as healthy as possible, we can still have undernourished brains, I was frustrated. I also live in a farming community, so I’m aware that our food isn’t grown as well as we need. Learning about neuro reserves relevant and how its formulated to fix this problem convinced me to give them a try. Now I know many of you are skeptical as was I. However, I know it’s working because of one simple change. My sweet tooth is gone. I didn’t expect that and it’s not something other users have commented on, but here’s some truth. My brain always wanted something sweet. Now, fruit usually did the trick, but not always. One bad night’s sleep would fire up my sugar craving so much, they were almost impossible to ignore. You ever have your brain screaming for a donut? Well, for me, those days are gone. It’s been about 6 months since I started taking the supplement and I have no regrets. I believe in my results so much that I’m passing on my 15% discount to you. Try it for two or three months and see if you have a miraculous sweet tooth cure, or maybe just better focus and clarity. It’s definitely worth a try. Their link is in my show notes. The COVID pandemic didn’t shine the brightest light on the consequences of our health disparities in this country. Well, I don’t know what will. By favorite resident podcast neuropsychologist, doctor Christopher Howard wanted to talk about why African Americans don’t like to go to the doctor. I know why I don’t like to go, but it is not the same at all. This is a very informative conversation, we started on the healthcare disparities, moved on to other topics and then came back to healthcare. I think you’re going to find doctor Christopher Howard’s insights, wonderful, informative, and I hope it gives us some enlightenment into other areas we need to focus on helping improve or just understanding so that all of us can get the best healthcare to allow us to age gracefully and as well as possible. Back with us today is our favorite neuropsychologist, doctor Christopher Howard, and we are going to be talking a little bit off of the normal topics today, but we’re going to be talking about why African Americans don’t like to go to the doctor. Hopefully we can make some suggestions on how to change that. So thanks for joining me again, Christopher. Absolutely. Thank you for having me. You’re welcome. So I know why I don’t like to go to the doctor ’cause it’s just not real fun. You know, they weigh you, and then they tell you you’re overweight and then, you know, and you’re already don’t feel good. That’s my excuse. But you brought up this topic so why do African Americans not like to go to the doctor? Yeah. Well, once again, thank you for having me on your show. I think we always have great conversations. And you know, I should have seen symptoms like sometimes like when I go to the doctors like I always joke with the nurse or whoever is like putting into the background. It’s like being the worst part is spending on the scale and finding how much you weigh. Because it’s like no matter what you do, it’s always like, you know, I can’t make it go the other way. It’s always going up. But, you know, this is an interesting topic because one of the things that it’s like doing different pieces of the puzzle. Together so that we can understand what’s going on. So one of the first pieces of puzzle that we can look at is we recognize health disparities. We look at we say African Americans over the age of 20, 44% of demand for each women has some very form of cardiovascular disease, African Americans have developed Alzheimer’s that are two to three times white individuals. The birth complications during pregnancy African American women are three times as high compared to other groups of people, but then a society like, okay, well, all these disparities persist, then it should all be like us rushing down to get to but that’s not necessarily the case. And a lot of times people talk about, well, tuskegee to the sticky. But I think that mister Sessions tuskegee and for the individuals who are underwear tuskegee essentially what happened for almost 70 years individuals had syphilis and rather than receiving care for simplest, they were just given a placebo because American government wanted to see what would that be like if syphilis remain untreated. And what it did was not only to create distrust with the medical system and the government or whatever the case might be.

00:05:02 – 00:10:07

But it also substantiated beliefs that doctors are not good for people. And sometimes what we kind of are good for African Americans. And so sometimes which would kind of run into it’s like availability heuristics, right? Where, okay, the neighbor down the street or remember the church or whomever they went to the doctor and it never came back right, right? So people started saying like, hey, you know, if you go to the doctor, you know, you’re not going to come back normal stuff like that. So that’s one of the things that kind of perpetuated this whole notion of not going to the doctors. But also sometimes what you can have to look at also is just like a certain communities, right? Because America is still segregated. And due to redlining. So I was reading the article most kind of interesting because what I was looking at was that the elf so before I go from another tanger, the red line is when individuals came back from World War II that banks weren’t long African American money, so they were really good at one set of power where other groups of people were able to receive money from the bank. And then start seem like the proliferation of suburbs, you start seeing the development of the middle class up in the class. You see upward mobility and stuff. But what the article I was reading was kind of saying was that individuals who were African Americans and were redlining to a certain community, that’s where COVID was really strong at compared to other different places. But redlining doesn’t happen in the back and so one of the things that you think about when you talk about rail line is the lack of resources like a schooling lack of healthcare, lack of, you know, grocery stores, all these things happen and communities that have been rarely. So if you’re growing up and you don’t have an opportunity to go to the doctor, you don’t have an opportunity for good physician care. There’s something that kind of sticks with you, right? Because if I’ve never used it before, why would I start now? So I think that’s another component. And also it’s this level of mistrust by when I was preparing for today’s episode, one of the things that we were just kind of, that was kind of really on was that because it’s like a lack of African American, people don’t always feel comfortable talking to the backer and, you know, you kind of see the schism that develops, right? Because sometimes the fear physician and I’ve seen this personally, you’re not accustomed to working on people of color, what ends up happening is that it becomes my way or the highway. And so when patients tell you, like, hey, this is what’s going on. And you never work with people of color you don’t have friends with people of color like this kind of went all the way through academia without seeing the brown face that sometimes you can be dismissive of what people are telling you because this is something that you have experience that you want to bring in school work with people. Professors, who’s this person want to tell me about themselves, right? I know everything I’m people like, you don’t listen to me. I’m in pain, things got worse. I’m not coming back. I had a slight similar experience. I had a male gynecologist told me I didn’t know anything about female bodies. Oh, that’s the worst. I was like, seriously? I’m like, I think I have one. I might not have the medical knowledge on everything going on, but I really educated on out my sister. Yeah, and I didn’t go back to him because I mean, I was early 20s. And it was infuriating. I was like, you don’t have a female body, so what you know you got from books, what I know I got from living in one. Maybe the two of us together to figure out I didn’t have a problem. I pointed out that some things that were going on were different than other times. And, you know, I did use a term abnormal, but it’s like, it’s abnormal. It doesn’t mean something’s wrong. He just dismissed me, so it’s not necessarily just people of color, but I was shocked that he would say something so stupid. And I could only imagine that it’s worse when, you know, like obviously, he probably had a little bit of a prejudice and I can only imagine what he had been a black woman only Toledo that probably would have been a really ugly scenario. Yeah, I mean, but something to think about though, right? Because it’s like, sometimes like you had this intersectionality, right? Being an African American woman and being a woman and being African American. All these things just kind of converge on this one being stuff. It might sometimes. What you run into because not only am I neuropsychologists I’m like what’s up, but you know, leading up to this point. I’ve been like a lot of community outreach and like people like open up and they tell you sort of things. And so sometimes it’s like, how do I express myself and being in pain, but without being seen as being conversation, right? Because you’re dealing with a group of people who’s never really had confrontation before. So somebody is assertive. They see that assertiveness as, oh, this is accomplished. They’re challenging me so the thing that I want to do is just get rid of them as quickly as I can, right? And there’s something bad happens, well, that’s just medical, or that’s just science.

00:10:07 – 00:15:05

That’s just medicine, whatever the case would be. It’s like, no, it doesn’t necessarily have to be like this, right? So I think one of the biggest things is how do we focus the person like how do we push the person? Because in medicine, there’s this mantra almost, right? Like, you know, they just want peace. They just want uniformity. They just want all those things. A lot of times when you want this vanilla lifestyle, vanilla, whatever the case you want to call it, when it’s up happening, it’s like people of color are usually get the short end of the stick duplicate yourself feeble. And that’s not good, right? So then when you put people in different environments, it’s like, can you function? Can you do well? I’ve been there I was talking to this training director, and you worked out one of the VA’s. There has a majority black population. And it’s just something that’s kind of interesting. He says something to the fact like we get students in the company the big name universities and wonderful letters of recommendation and it worked with these amazing professors, but the one thing that they don’t have is experience work with people of color. What makes someone good permission or good physician is that they’re able to draw from experience and make it applicable to the research or whatever they do. And so when something happens, you get people never work with people of color and they want to try to rule with the iron fist, not realizing that you’re supposed to help these people, not dominate these people. And it quickly turns into a mess and he’s like, I could only do so much before it looks like I’m just nitpicking or that I haven’t been dead toward somebody, but it’s about patient care. And that’s when the hardest things about medicine are particularly psychology and psychology and especially is because everybody wants to look seeing everybody wants to look like super duper professional. And they always recruit from the big name places and stuff and when it’s happening is that they get people who aren’t capable of working people. Those are some of the things that I’ve seen. One of the best suggestions I got recently, what apply to that issue is one of the ways to heal the division in our country. Would be to reinstate AmeriCorps and basically have what is that phrase? Exchange students. So a student fraud, maybe a white or Hispanic student from San Francisco, white go to West Virginia or somewhere in the appalachians, which is really poor and obviously not at all like San Francisco, although I can’t say that for certain because I haven’t been there. And just, you know, like, you know, we have assumptions based on TV and books and social media, like, oh, those guys are just bumpkins and not educated and I’m sure that’s not true. But, you know, you’re kind of ingrained into that thought. And so if you go and experience somebody else’s way of life, especially as a teenager, I think that would really help blend our culture a little better, not change it, so like, you know, well, we want the country bumpkins to be more like the San Francisco and the San Francisco to be more, you know, just a better understanding is what is probably a better term than blending and you know what the oh, I’m sorry. What? No, I really wish there was a way I could be like, hello, this is really good idea. Somebody do this. No, absolutely. Absolutely. So two things, I remember when we were getting ready to take our SATs in high school, right? And we were all in Indianapolis, but not every school had like SAP where you could just take it. And so sometimes you would go to like a totally different school like base off like where you lived in the city and different things. And you have an opportunity to see how other high schools are set up and sometimes release some of their students. People are like, hey, these people are okay. I remember, man, like, are you supposed to school like you said of Indianapolis or Arlington high school? It’s like a city school where the case of being. And I remember like, you know, I did an SAP prep class because that was the only one that they had on Saturday during football season. Whatever the case may be. And so for so long, you always hear these stories and these myths about Indianapolis public schools. But then once you get around somewhere students, you’re like, man, these people are like really down to earth. They’re funny, they’re whatever the case may be. And it just kind of took down the barrier because some of these guys around tracking football with. And they were like, just really gracious in their show me their circle and stuff. But definitely agree with you. And the second thing I was going to say was that it kind of reminds me of this show. I’m going to show my age. Northern exposure. Do you remember that show? I guess it was like a physician in New York and he moved out to Alaska to practice medicine. And it was kind of like a culture shop, but he was able to grow into like, you know, who was supposed to be? Yeah, like I definitely agree with you.

00:15:05 – 00:20:03

I think it matters. I definitely think that it matters. And I think it’s more than just saying, okay, you know, you grew up in South Dakota and Montana and now you’re in Detroit saying you get this information and you leave the city Detroit. And you go back to where you came from, but it’s like, how the next step was like, we get people here. We want the best of the best, not the most winner, the most privilege. And how do we identify this community, right? Because that’s how people grow. It’s like the continuity of care. Like you get people familiar with the community either really good what they think themselves in the community when they become a part of it, then they become invested in it. So they’re not like pulling resources or knowledge, then going back across country and stuff. And this community has left destitute. So that’s the way I think it means something. I always, you know, I like to read novels and you always read about the country Doctor Who, you know, they live in a small town, which I live in a small city and there’s 70,000 of us so I don’t know how many quote unquote country doctors we’d need for here. But they were part of the community. They knew their neighbors, the neighbors knew them. You know, it was like they were just. They weren’t separate. You know, nowadays, it’s like, we were before we started recording. I was talking about how my diagnosis and treatment of shingles has been done all online through photographs and messaging and I’m fine with that because I really don’t like to go to the doctor and right now still during COVID, really not that great. But she doesn’t know anything about me. So when I tell her, you know, like, holy crap. Is it normal to have like really super horrible brain fog? I don’t get brain fog. I would literally walk into the room and you know, just this is my house. There’s nothing overstimulating in my house. Everything is super familiar. I’d walk into the kitchen and be like, why did I come in here? I don’t remember why I came in here. Now I’m going to go do something else. And I literally felt like I had mild cognitive impairment. She has no clue why that’s a big deal to me. And I never discussed it with her, but I would assume that it would get dismissed as, yeah, that’s normal. Okay, are you sure? ’cause I got this like big family history of cognitive impairment. I would like to make sure that my brain didn’t just take a dump, you know? I would say I have been threatening this for several years and everything keeps up ending it, but I would love to be able to establish a relationship with a Doctor Who understands that, you know, we don’t have cancer in my family. So those things are not a concern. This is a concern and this is why. So when I tell you, I would like to, you know, because I will be 55 in November. And I think this is coming out after my birthday. It’s coming out around that. I know. You know, it’s like we’re kind of getting to the stage where it’s like, can we please start doing like a baseline, cognitive test, so that if my husband says, she’s having some daffy moments, they’ll have like 55 year old me baseline and at 60 or 65, if there’s a big change, then they would say, yeah, something’s going on instead of, you know, taking forever to get diagnosed with Alzheimer’s or dementia or whatever Jen’s just blond and stupid today. But you know, you raise an interesting point because that’s something I used to see like, I used to work in the suburbs of Chicago, being a school of fluent community, right in sometimes rebuild with a full community. People like really do their due diligence in terms of research and individuals who hit that 50 year old birthday, 50 birthday. And what will end up happening is that they would just go in and they just want to get a cognitive test and stuff, right? And they would just take the initiative and do that. But I think it’s a good point. I think that’s something that we can all benefit from because sometimes you don’t know what you don’t know. And when you start thinking about early onset Alzheimer’s, that sort of happens around 56 or which is a little bit more aggressive. And it’s a thing. I know this a little bit colloquial, but it’s the thing that you really have to worry about because when things is like, how do I prepare for life after all summers or life with Alzheimer’s? And I don’t think that’s a conversation that’s had enough because sometimes I don’t think people really understand what Alzheimer’s consists of, right? Because you mean some people are like, well, Alzheimer’s, somebody can’t find the keys, or maybe they get a little bit confused and that’s it. It’s like no it’s a little bit more serious than it’s only going to get progressively worse. So while the person is in a single mind, how do you plan your will? How do you plan how you want to divide up your money? What are you going to move into apartment or town home or you can keep the house? We’re going to make the house safe. These are questions that a lot of people don’t have and then once it gets to a point where, you know, the person’s no longer with us to a certain extent, and it’s like, okay, well, what are we doing? And now we have to go through these legal hurdles in order to have access to the state.

00:20:04 – 00:25:14

And so I think it’s something that’s kind of mindful that people don’t discuss or not. And I also think that sometimes people don’t have access to care. It goes back to the axis of care. And I’ll dove into a little bit because I don’t want to dominate the conversation. Well, it’s interesting to talk about planning. Obviously, for, you know, for specific reasons when we did our estate planning last year, Alzheimer’s was a very big topic. What if this, what if that and I have said this before, the hardest question in the estate planning was when the lawyer looked at my husband and I and said, okay, well, you’re a state will go to your daughter. That’s fine. That’s typical. What happens if she goes first? And I looked at him and I went, well, that’s an ugly question. Now she is engaged. Wedding is May 1st 2022. Yay. Finally, it’s like they keep us on it. And, you know, there was some logical reasons for saying ah, well, if she goes first, that leaves just the fiance slash husband and there was some, I don’t know how to put this that doesn’t sound horrible, but it was like there was we were overthinking some things. And one day, the lawyer called my husband said, hey, we got to come up with an answer to this. He started write down that overthinking path, and I looked at him and I said, I’ll be dead, I won’t care. Give the money to Paul. It’s that simple. I will be dead. I will not care. You know, ’cause he grew up very poor. He’s got some siblings that make some really bad choices. So this is where I’m talking about the overthinking. You know, like, what if, you know, he gets our whole estate and his family does that, you know, you just start your brain and spin it and finally said, this is stupid. Oh my God, I won’t care. If I have to come back in the haunt him for making bad choices, well, that might have to be a thing, I guess, I don’t know. And so that’s what I tell people like, that was the hardest question and when I realized as overthinking it, it wasn’t hard anymore. Well, the other thing, too, is my grandparents and my parents, all wanted to live forever in their home. My mom did not want to be a burden to her daughters. But she wanted to live forever in her home. Mutually exclusive decisions. And it was heart wrenching to put her in memory care. It was the right choice. She had friends. She did things that she would not do with me. It just was best for everybody, including her. But it wasn’t easy because I knew I was going against what she wanted. So my husband and I are house hunting because it’s not in our immediate area where he is a broker. Well, he is now registered up in where we’re looking, but in the foothills, we’re gonna be aware of lived in the San Francisco Bay Area, my whole life, and now I’m gonna be living in the foothills of the Sierra nevadas as quickly strange strange way to talk about my life that anyway, we’re using a broker up there, and my husband does make the comment this will be our last house until we have to move until unless we have to move in the assisted living. I have taken him from I would want to live in my house forever to understanding that assisted living is to me it’s a place where when you get to your 80s and you’ve been retired for a decade or more why would you want to do the cooking and the cleaning and worry about the yard where even if you have a housekeeper and a landscaper, you still gotta worry about, you know, we got dogs. So work. It is. It looks like and where my mom lived. They had the healthiest tastiest food. Like low sodium, but you never felt like you needed to pour the salt shaker on it. It was really good. It was portion control so you weren’t overeating. I’m like, yeah, let somebody else worry about breakfast at all just worry about what the heck I want to do today. So that’s my that’s my advocacy for why the hell would you not want one of these places that takes care of all the worries so that you can just basically be like a teenager? Enjoy your life. Go some type of medical mistrust. I think medical mistrust is like is just something that’s kind of interwoven. So many different things that we don’t necessarily think about until it’s time to we have to make a decision. They’ll just work with several people like there’s this concept like they can’t take care of you as well as family, but you’re not thinking about am I being a burden on family, and I think we kind of talked about this in previous episodes. We’re not everybody’s equipped to deal with taking care of the love and incapacity of loved one, right? Now everybody’s equipped to be able to give mom or dad a path or feed or frustration and sometimes with people in my generation like there’s this level of upward mobility that hasn’t really been seen before or more people early more cash, like the last little bit more fluid, like it’s almost from a bygone era where like just a whole whole family listen to same community on the same side of town or stuff like that.

00:25:15 – 00:30:00

More people like living across nation and having different careers. And it’s not easy just to up and go and say okay, I’m gonna come back and take care of mom or dad or whomever for like a month straight where it would be like if we lived in the same community, I could just go over there after work, you know? So it’s this mistress where some people still want to be taking care of my family, but a lot of times family is not in a position just to really take care of someone, because caregiver responsibilities are very taxing. You know, if I’m taking care of somebody and they’re getting progressively worse and other families like, you know, we’re going to pray for you or we’re going to love you, but like I appreciate it, but that doesn’t necessarily help me when I have to take mom out of the bathtub, right? And I’m being isolated from a social standpoint. Emotional standpoint. Financial standpoint. I was in an article where African Americans were among the group of people who spend the most money in caregiving because they don’t want to use other services and like the amount of money that they use are their own market is almost insane. It’s an incredible amount of money, right? But when it’s up happening, is that now you’re putting yourself in this financial ruin. I know some families like they almost went bankrupt because mom or dad because I’m not trying to, you know, seen by specifically, but they lived a little bit longer than anticipated, right? Well, you have to scrape that the person’s wrong and don’t want to push Stephanie by at the same time. Now it’s just like, oh, they exhausted all their resources, but in order to accommodate their special needs. Now we’re using our resources and they got children who are in college or who are on a precipice of opinion college and, you know, if we can’t help them with college and they’re rather people supported loans, you don’t have to take lots of student losses that they have to count for or maybe that might be a deterrent for them to go to college or something. So you see these residual impacts so it’s not just, well, can we take care of a loved one or whatever, but it’s like, how are we going to do this caregiving experience? And a lot of times it kind of goes back to like working there for Americas. We don’t have, you know, good resources in your community, and some communities and stuff, not your force to take this burden alone. Now becomes a little bit more taxing because it’s like a working well, forgot to put you in a system living care, but we feel like this is just a living care place isn’t when we good enough, what are we going to do? We can just kick you on a student and say, hey, thank you for everything. And bob voyage and also it becomes like super complicated. These are the questions that need to be asked, which is also problematic because if you don’t have a quality services in your community, then who do you talk to, right? So now you’re making big decisions by yourself, which is, which is taxing in of itself. Yeah. It’s amazing. It just COVID definitely, I think just blew open all the doors of what’s wrong with our healthcare delivery system. I mean, it’s definitely broken now. I would expose a lot of things. Which I hope will help speed up fixing a lot of things, but where I’m at, I have there’s a group of people in my life that when California said, okay, we’re going to reopen. The mask mandates going away, which that didn’t last very long. It was like they literally just rocketed back to 2019. And I’m like, pump the brakes folks. Some of us can’t go back to 2019. You know, like I retired from one career, focus on on other things, my mom died. You know, I don’t live in the same house. You know, it’s like, my entire life is different. Yeah, there’s parts of it. I wouldn’t. There are days, you know, I’d like to go back to the what didn’t seem simple then, but see if it’s more simple now. I can’t go backwards. So, you know, let’s take the good things that we learned, you know, by rotary club, abruptly stopped doing hybrid meetings, which I think is dumb because personally, you know, if you’re in a service organization, it’s generally older people and there’s been people that can attend a meeting because they’re recovering from a knee replacement surgery. Yeah, that’s kind of a common thing or it was when you could actually get those done. And you know, you might want to sit in your house and stare at your screen and at least be peripheral peripherally the can’t even say that word. Part of a meaning that you can’t attend because you can’t drive and, you know, you didn’t want to burden somebody by asking to pick you up or the person who was going to pick you up now. They can’t come for this. You know, it’s just like hybrid meetings. I don’t like group zooms. I like the zooms like we’re doing.

00:30:01 – 00:35:40

But I wouldn’t have minded like if I didn’t feel good, stay home and just like, you know, fire up the laptop and eat my lunch or my soup or sit in my sweats and feel icky and but still be a part of what’s going on still be like get firsthand knowledge. Yeah, you know, oh, I was just going to say, you know, that’s kind of interesting that you mentioned that because one of the things about COVID is that it just explodes like the fallacy of so many ideas, right? Like the idea that I have to wake up before day, get to work by aid. And even if I have downtime for like maybe three to 5, I just have to sit at my job or for another two hours and stuff be exhausted and quite traffic on what that call because one of the things that we’re going to learn with COVID is like, you know, if I don’t have anything to do at 8, and I don’t have to be like at the hospital or be whatever until whenever then so be it because production is still up, because I’m still doing the job or doing whatever I need to do. And, you know, I’m getting everything done. I just don’t have to be there before time. I can prep for home or three o’clock through 30 rolls around and you know, you don’t want needless exposure and I could go home at three 30, well, you know what? I don’t have any his, but, you know, I could do chores at errands or whatever the case may be before when to vibe and I won’t be more productive, not only at work, but in my own life, but what COVID also did was to show the importance of having social relationship, right? Because when you’re no longer a round people, you kind of realize how people made difficult things for tolerable versus kind of like, hey, you know, I appreciate you being here. I appreciate our friendship more because I didn’t realize how dependent I was on it. And COVID because you want this needlessly at work to keep you an opportunity because sometimes you get bored, hey, let me reach out to somebody who I’ve been talking a long time. And let me reestablish this friendship. So I definitely understand your sentiments. Yeah, it’s been interesting. I’m glad that I’m of an age where barring anything on terrible happening, like Alzheimer’s, I’ll remember. I mean, how could I forget, you know, what this last two years of life. I might want to forget. But, you know, my paternal grandmother lived to be a 103 and I think back on, you know, when she was born, that was during the Spanish flu epidemic and obviously she didn’t remember that. But you know, we didn’t have airplanes and spaceships and now we have civilians going into space that a robot is piloting the rocket, sounds terrifying to me, but okay, they’re up there. They’re still okay. Coming down tomorrow, okay. Kind of different. You know, it’s like sometimes when I sit back and I think when I started photography, it was on film. And then I moved into digital and I still have my DSLR, but you know what? I take really good pictures with my iPhone, and the new iPhone when I found out about it, I’m like, buy this now, which is not all like me. It has a built in macro lens. I wouldn’t have a macro lens that screws onto my phone. It’s just like, it blows my mind like my phone has more computing power than many of my earlier computers. So I’m just like, what is what is the world going to be like, you know, when I’m 80 or 90 or a hundred lord. That sounds like will we have doctors that make House calls? ’cause there’s a lot of call for that. I would have paid pretty penny to have that for my mom. There are companies that do that. They just don’t do them in the suburbs where most older people live, which hello, backwards. You know, it’s just like, what this has been a very turbulent upheaval, not such a great time, but I think there’s going to be some really interesting changes. And so I’m kind of like, okay, I’m like, excited to see what the changes might be. Yeah, you know, there’s something I was honored to like, what is the future going to hold? Like, you know, I look at some of my little cousins and they’re so great with the tiktoks and they’re great with social media and when I was ten. And I was just playing video games, right? You know, I’m out there sitting everything up. But just with respect to medicine, say something kind of interesting like with doctors making House calls. Listen idea that something I play with, you know, because there’s this little health disparity, but you know, you know, when I was in Chicago had an opportunity to work with several organizations. We were like, that’s really underserved communities. And they were always grateful for the help. You love us in a darker at the time when we said, it was like, man, I wonder because you remember like when you were younger, you would see like the cartoons and the doctor would come to let the families and then be like renting outside and the doctors were just like, and I was like, man, I want to fucking do something like that for neuropsych. Let me come to your house and I can do the email in the comfort of your own home because one of the problems that we run into in neuroscience is that you’ll see a normal psychologist either an supper or in some medical research facility like downtown or some isolated from the rest of the community, when you start thinking about certain communities, like maybe like a Detroit or a south Chicago or really any rust belt city where you have groups of African Americans who develop Alzheimer’s that are really the four times higher than other groups of people, but it’s like there’s nothing that’s really accessible to them and say, hey, maybe I could be that resource where I could say, you know what, I’ll come to your house and we’ll do testing in the living room or whatever.

00:35:40 – 00:40:03

And we could do it at your pace or whatever in that way you can still receive services because what into happening is that things aren’t there. It’s kind of like on a big tree burns down and starts seeing other past emerge, right? Those like if I’m not here, what’s going to start emerging? The one thing that I find that emerges is people have questions. What’s the point of being taken two trains in a bus or two buses in a train? Did they go through some medical facility downtown or go? Super far out to the suburbs that you want to tell me something that already know. Yes, mom has Alzheimer’s her uncle had had a stroke and he can’t do whatever. Well, I said, well, neuropsychology is a little bit bigger than just telling you like the obvious. Like, we give treatment recommendations until you the trajectory of the psychopathology or the cognitive impairment or whatever. So there’s like a really specialization while you should come see us. And I was just thinking like, maybe I could do that void that goes like different people’s homes and stuff and like I can provide the service that’s not really there. And that way we can still push mental health awareness. That makes sense. And one of my other regular guests, doctor moochie, who is a geriatrician in the UK. She went and visited a gentleman in his home because he was having a lot of falls, and she couldn’t figure out why. And when she and I was shocked that even in the UK, a doctor would go to somebody’s house, he was a retired antiques dealer, his home was very interesting. It was not my style, but he had lots of rugs one rug over another rug and instead of a side table. It might be a stack of old books and suitcases. So very nice looking, but not very stable if you trip and you reach out to catch yourself on the stack of books that falls down. And she posted it on her Instagram story. How many rugs did you see? Well, I caught 5 out of the 6. And she is very big on she’s she’s like a medical detective. If you’re not following her on Instagram, you totally should. It’s doctor spelled out dot Elena mucci. You can find her through me. And she other doctors have missed things because they don’t like strip somebody down to their underwear, which, you know, if you don’t think you need to do it, I can understand. Nobody wants to sit there in front of a stranger in their nakedness, and I don’t want to do that. You know, but she has discovered issues with people because she’s giving them a full head to toe exam. And to me, those two things like understanding what their environment is like, because again, when I see stories from other caregivers like on Instagram and stuff, and I see just, you know, their loved one might have mild agitation that just drives them bonkers. And I’m looking in the background going. I would have mild agitation if I had to live with all that crap all over the counters, which is a very common thing most people have way too much crap on their counters. I do not, because I am a neat freak. It stresses me out to have clutter, so I’m not a clutter person. Sure. And, you know, it’s like all of that stuff is stimulating and confusing. If your brain is not processing things right, I look at that as a big problem. Now, it may or may not be what’s causing their agitation, they might just be totally comfortable with crap everywhere that I’m not. But if I were a doctor or like you and neuropsychologist, to me, those are big clues and going into their environment, you might be able to say, you know, reducing the amount of paperwork and stuff that you have on the counters here or on this bookshelf over here, why don’t we try and see if just simplifying things visually might help them feel less calm. I don’t know, this is my two. Yeah, I mean, but you know, it’s like taking a huge approach, right? Where you kind of see like, what can I fix? What is wrong? Why is there something wrong? And that’s supposed to take like starting from the super obvious or something that’s like maybe a little bit in minuscule.

00:40:04 – 00:45:00

And somebody has like a junkie home, like not only is that a hazard that they might fall particularly if they durable like walking around and moving and different things and sore. But also is dust. It’s an allergen. It’s causing them to cough and sneeze is a disrupting their breathing and stuff like that. So what can we do to make it clean, make a pathway? But small things matter. I learned nothing else on our site like small things matter, right? So even if you get a person to come in to come out organized in the house or whatever, and you’re reducing the amount of allergens, perhaps that’s up half to a solution. You know, just, yeah, so I agree with you like just moving the clutter and stuff. Making sure that they don’t fall. You know, in a brand degenerate, they may become agitated. They may become Jacqueline. That might be something that’s not avoidable, but what is avoidable is moving stuff out of the way. So they don’t try to fall or sometimes they become so uttered and stuff, you start getting vermin that comes in. And that’s never a good thing. You know, if they have trouble cleaning their house, I mean granted, like there’s a gradient of why clerk is there, but to a certain, like they have trouble cleaning the house where they eating nutritious food or they thrown away old food or the eating food that is spoiled. Do they have upset stomach? Is that why they’re irritated? Remember like I used to be an ABA therapist applied behavior analysis or I used to work with autistic children. And sometimes you’ll work with children who are non verbal and, you know, sometimes they would have it’s a little bit, but it’s the type of stomach disorder or if they eat too many too many things and stuff. It gives them like acid refracting. It really makes a ton of hurt. Long story short, but sometimes they come verbalized and they’ll eat too much candy or eat something that was like really spicy and it would just really flare up and you would just see this agitation and so you say like, why is somebody agitated? What am I not seeing that’s making this person agitated in that we can easily fix? Because it’s done about the length of life to assume it’s about the quality of life. Definitely. New comes into your space. They’re going to see things that we just tune out because we don’t have a place for all of this paperwork or like our best friend is a scientist and she swears that she knows where everything is in these piles of papers and I look at the piles of papers and just basically want to scream. And it takes a longer to find things that it does for me. I’m like, even my craft supplies super, super organized. I could probably grab what I need in ten seconds with my eyes closed because they’re all in the same place. Would you also proceed? Oh, I’m sorry. Well, it just makes life easier than I don’t have to think about this goes in this drawer. This goes in this one. This goes here. Boom, done. I don’t have to. It’s just like a habit. And I don’t understand people that don’t do that, but I do understand people are different, so I don’t. I don’t try to organize other people. But you know what? I’ll leave this kind of remediation program, if you tell us the hospital. So the one of things we’re kind of remediation is that, you know, we teach compensatory skills and we pay impeach restorative skills. You’re putting on where the person is at with their cognitive impairment. And so one of the things that I tell the clients is that organization is key because frustration is like a natural part of life. We all become frustrated. But the thing is, it’s like some people can’t manage frustration, right? So people like, okay, become frustrated and earn a sucks, and they can let it go and move on where they need to be. And other people want to become frustrated. They have like a total meltdown, where they’re no longer able to from that point they become frustrated. Everything else is, it doesn’t work. And so organization is key because even if you have some sort of cognitive impairment, you can still say my keys are always going to be in this basket on account. Or my shoes are always going to be underneath the bedroom. My glasses are always going to be on the nightstand or whatever the case for me. So it doesn’t matter if it’s rainy, snowy, whatever the case may be, you could just grab and go. But when you think about somebody where they can’t find something and they start becoming more frustrated, then it’s less about running the object that you’re looking for unless you just don’t want it in a similar amount frustration management in those individuals who can not manage frustration, it just rules the whole day. And one of the things that kind of just like makes frustration worse, they lack a productivity, right? Because you just wasted four hours or just listed 5 hours or 6 hours. The organization is so key because even impairment allows you to have some semblance of functions. I agree with that. I mean, I’ve had dogs all my life and dogs, they don’t have long-term memory. They just they, their memory is like pattern. So when you change the pattern, kind of throws them off. I got one dog that handles it just fine.

00:45:00 – 00:50:01

We went on a three-week road trip in a trailer. She was thrilled. The other dog was like, what the hell did you do to my life? I don’t understand. I’m confused. I’m okay, because you’re with me, but you could kind of see mild anxiety in him. Now he’s a rescue. So his first 7 months of life were not great, so that’s also an issue. But you could see that the way they handled it was very different. It was very interesting. But it’s to me it’s kind of the same thing. You need to, if you’re dealing with cognitive impairment or taking care of some of the cognitive parents, you need to keep things as simple and easy as possible so that you can just kind of move from one task to the other. Like I know caregivers who lay out activities in coloring books will be on the kitchen table and snacks will be on the island in the kitchen and there might be magazines to thumb through next to their favorite chair because it’s because they can just, oh, it’s there, and they can just handle it so they can be a little bit more independent because you set it up easily for them. And that to me is it equates to being organized. And we like totally went off the topic today, but this is still. I think it’s so valuable information. I think that people can use really useful. I mean, I mean, I think we talk about organization. I think something that people appreciate, but they don’t always know how to do it. There’s something that they don’t think of because you need to look back to loved one who is doing what the cognitive impairment is calamity, right? Big part of your life is calamity because you’re organizing in one or not organizing, but you’re trying to manage this in one best step to lead to more calamity, right? This is my favorite. Have a dramatic brain injury? Does it do it worse? Are they now hospitalized and that’s going to go to bear? But I think there’s power and organization because one of the things that just allows you to do is just allows you to fine tune your schedule. I took my patients this also a little bit sidebar, but not really, but it’s not about eliminating distractions, right? Because we had this thing is called leap skills. Like when you try to teach somebody how to pay attention when you’re talking, you’re listening actively eliminate distractions, you ask questions. But you can’t really eliminate the distraction. Because let’s say once we in this interview and you want to go to Walmart, either so much about text shoes, someone as well call you, somebody’s going to need something for whatever the case may be. And whether major or minor is still going to be a distraction, but when you allocate enough time that even if there’s something that some people on your schedule, you still have an opportunity to not only take care of what you set out to do, but you are able you’re in a position where you can handle the distraction and you’re still able to find productivity, right? Productivity is key. The other thing too about being very organized is if you’re an organized person like me, like, there’s a past guest. She’s one of the founding mothers of all’s authors. Her book was manifested out of the notebooks that she kept while she was not caring so much for I mean she was taking care of her parents, but not caregiving like we think about it with Alzheimer’s. But she had been noticing changes and. Not once the right word, but just changes that were disturbing. And she was her sister was like a thousand miles away in another state. She was making notes. So like, you know, today is September 17th, blah, blah, blah, this is what happened. And so she had notes that she could take to the doctor, so she didn’t have to rely on her memory. Well, I think it was in September some time, mom did X and then because basically what ended up happening is both her parents were diagnosed with Alzheimer’s on the same day. Wow, that must have been fun. Yeah, but it wasn’t surprising and it wasn’t as devastating as it could have been because she had a notebook full of information and other people have added on and say, you know, if you see them doing something like maybe mom, like my mom walked totally fine until she fell and broke her leg. Didn’t need walking aids. But if my mom had started shuffling her feet, that would have been a clue, and I have learned from all the wonderful guests that I’ve had. I would have taken a video of her to show the doctor. Because if they’re not in your space, observing what you’re observing, which obviously they’re not going to be with you 24 hours a day and you’re telling them well, mom’s always walked fine, but now she’s shuffling her feet. They’re interpreting that through their lens. And if you’re information is spotty because you’re trying to rely on your own memory, you know, it’s just you’re making it more difficult for them to do their job.

00:50:02 – 00:55:04

So to me being organized, making notes on what’s going on like with yourself with your loved one, because dealing with the shingles, I don’t get sick. And if I get sick, it’s usually pretty mild. So basically being uncomfortable for two and a half months was not fun. And it literally affected my mental health. My husband finally figured out he’s like, okay, angry Jen is coming. Oh, good. Now we’re crying to good lowered. Why are you in pain? Oh, okay, yeah, got it. I mean, it was so frustrating. And I knew what was going on, but I couldn’t stop it. I couldn’t stop getting irritated at the dumbest thing or crying at the dumbest thing because it’s just like my body was just done. You know, I had no energy and I was constantly uncomfortable, but all of that was way out of the norm for me. So if it had continued, he could have started taking notes and he could have gone to the doctor and said, I don’t know what else going on, but please fix this before I kill her. And, you know, it’s to me, we have to unfortunately, with our system, we have to do kind of a lot more of the detective work, a lot more of the course. Like secretarial work on, hey, you know, she was fine. She got singles. Now she’s like, a raving lunatic. I don’t understand. The dog is hiding from her. You know, these are all we need to be able to tell doctors, what’s going on and how it’s affecting everybody, I think, to give them a bigger picture. You know, that’s such a good point though, but you know, it’s kind of twofold because like last preparing for this interview like something that went into is like it’s like this level mistrust. I know we’re kind of talked about a little bit earlier. But representation matters, right? Because sometimes it ends up happening. And I’m not trying to cast this version on any particular positions, but this is sometimes what you see. There’s even an article I think maybe like four or 5, 6 years ago, University of Virginia, but prestigious medical school, they 50% of their students felt that African Americans had a higher paying telex. They felt that African Americans, you know, they could do more extraneous things to them because they could handle it, which isn’t true. And this is when you start seeing all the birthdays and all the complications or pregnancy and during hospital visits and stuff. But representation matters. And what they kind of found is that when African American doctors have African American patients that the amount of information that the kid is a little bit more richer or the suggestions that they make to the patients, patients are more inclined to follow up because it’s not necessarily just talking about, okay, you have diabetes or whatever, but it’s also saying, how are you holistically like how is your life or your kids in college? You know, what do you think about where your concerns and because there’s a level of familiarity then you’re usually able to provide better patient care in the patients or more likely to come back by representation matters and sometimes when the physicians don’t match the patients what ends up happening is that you have this huge massive disconnect, right? And sometimes you see the position say all this patient is really loquacious. Is there some sort of frontal dis executive functioning going on and why are they talking so much and or sometimes just like, hey, you know, I went to this big prestigious school. So they’re not listening to me. They’re saying they’re something else. They don’t know because I went to big name university or whatever the case ends up happening is that patient care doesn’t is not maximized, I should say. So, you know, representation matters and like just been a good position is saying like, okay, like we just kind of talked about with distractions and having allotment of time when I see this person, I’m going to give them 1520 minutes because that’s what I have to stop. My fault, whatever, but I’m going to make these the best 1520 minutes that I can make it. And I’m going to ask all the pertinent questions, right? And sometimes it takes like in silver and research, so you know who you’re working with. You know the population that you’re working with. So you know the right questions to ask. When I was at Emory, we were like ridiculously busy for like the best practical. And one of the things that helped us like, okay, understanding the group of patients that I’m working with so I know how to get the right answer. So I know how to get the right information. So I can build a case for whatever diagnosis this is, right? Because I’m not going to take this one size fits all people. There’s some black person from South Georgia and they have diabetes. So it must be some sort of story. No, let me do my due diligence and answer my questions so that way whatever we come up with, this is going to be a good answer for whatever doctor or whatever the case might be who sees this report next, we can like continue to build off of this. And like, that’s what makes good north psychologists. And that’s what makes good clinicians a good position to stop. But sometimes when you work with people, they just have these poor social skills.

00:55:05 – 01:00:06

And they’re always seeing like all this person describe tongs versus print or whatever, but it’s like, you know, we’re not trying to be buddy buddy, but we’re trying to establish a report, so we can get the best information in the amount of time that we have available. Does not usually enough. I almost think that they could either pre screen through forms that asks more detailed questions that might almost feel a little bit invasive. Or they could have a physician’s assistant, not necessarily a PA type physician’s assistant, but somebody assigned to collecting this information so that the and then of course I know doctors don’t have enough time to read charts because before this episode airs is one on how to actually advocate for your own healthcare, and she gave very specific tips and suggestions so I learned that medical charts are not chronological and they’re not necessarily they’re not organized the way I would do them. So but, you know, if somebody, ’cause I’m thinking like our system isn’t set up to do what you’re talking about. And we need to move that way. Unfortunately, those massive kinds of changes don’t happen quickly. They’re painful while you’re going through all those changes. Nobody wants to deal with that. So it’s going to be a long time. It probably will not happen in my lifetime even though I will be around for another 45 years. And, you know, but I’m thinking if somebody could instead of saying, have you had any of these diseases? I can almost go, nope. Nope. You know, just like. I don’t even have to read it. Sometimes I scan it just to make sure I don’t answer no to anything different by accident, but it’s like, yeah, I don’t get sick. So maybe you should like, that should push me or push questions about me. In a different direction, like, what are your health concerns? Why are you here today? Oh, you don’t feel normal. Okay, you don’t normally get sick, so you don’t feel so something must be going on. Somehow we need to figure out a way of helping doctors get that information without saying, okay, doctors spend an extra half an hour with me. ’cause I know because I was that was such mental health before I started the post side. And so especially if they were like in southern Utah, or maybe something wasn’t necessarily close. Sometimes we would sit in the pre screening information. Sometimes we know it. And they would figure it out, or they would fill it out. But you get like a different level of information like when you’re face to face or when you’re in person or stuff like that. And what it is, is it’s like your body language is a lot. And I’m not going to keep talking about this guy, we’re in program that I’m leading at the top of the hospital. But it’s like, how do I show you that I’m engaged? I want to know that information about, right? Because some people, you know, they let other things impact the way that the patient care like, I come across or somebody come across and they look like they’re busy or they’re tired or they’re uninterested, right? Like if I showed you that I don’t care what you’re saying and what we’re doing as a formality, more than likely, you’re not going to keep talking to me about what’s going on because you don’t think that I value it, right? Or so is teaching physicians to say, probably actively, even if you are tired, don’t care. Show the person that you do care, particularly in psychology and stuff like that. Show them that you do care, you know, knowing what questions to ask leads to more information that you can choose from. And that’s really an important thing. And sometimes it’s about having a level familiarity. A number I’ll tell you a quick story when I was in my advanced practicum at Emory. I had an opportunity to work with doctor Monica Parker. Who is an absolute gym, like she is incredible. And one of the things that we would do is that we would go around the different African American churches in Atlanta where the churches were AME Baptists, methodists, Catholic churches. You know, just whatever the case might be, 7 day administered. We will be there and what we would do is we would do like these presentations to kind of raise awareness about Alzheimer’s. If there was a component where we would do these pre screening measures, could I like what we’re talking about a little bit before? And I think we would give the mocha, right? So basically if you get somewhere between the 27 and 30 families that your function work cognitively, but like if you get like anything less than 27, that kind of means that during a precipice of cognitive impairment, although data kind of shows now looking at African Americans instead of it be like 27 out 30 ECB around 2500 or 30 feet almost diagnosed people. The point is is that African American women will see me and doctor Parker was always just like Chris, you’re unique because you’re still young, you’re African American male, you’re in the historically black college university, you’re part of a divine line fraternity, which is like cap off a side.

01:00:06 – 01:05:02

So you have all these things that resonates with the people who were working with and what ended up happening when I was working with doctor Monica Parker was that, you know, some of the parishioners of whatever church would be at who were women, they will see me they have a little bit of conversation and there were almost brick their necks to tell their husbands and their brothers whoever hurry up to the church because they’re somebody that’s just like you where you can relate to them that’s going to do some cognitive testing. And so sometimes what you see in my collective communities is that, you know, if the matriarch or the family says, this is what we’re doing for the whole family comes out, right? So finding a way to reach the matriarch and when the matriarch crush you and say, wow, you know, we trust you, we respectful. You’re familiar with our culture. Now we’re going to have the family come in and stuff. And we were able to get over 300 participants and a lot of these participants were male just because they had an opportunity to see me. And I’m not seeing that like braggadocios, but what I’m saying is that representation matters. A lot of things that we did in Atlanta community, like, when I hosted the event and we would go from home to home to home to home, just kind of said, hey, we’re doing this thing at the church. Please come through. And when you’re able to do like a makeshift seminar talk in front of these people’s lawn, they’ll say, all right, we’ll come to the backyard. We’re having a barbecue and did your speech again, right? So now you’re talking to different groups of people. And it’s the ability to be available is what makes a difference, right? Because when people trust you, you’re a part of the community, rather than just saying, I’m dipping my foot in and I’m going to go back to the set of town. People more time because they say if something happens, you’re not going anywhere, and we can figure this out. And just one last story. Participated in import Michigan center Michigan center urban African American agent research. This ability with university in Michigan and one of the things that they were saying was like, hey, we got a $1 billion endowment, but we can’t recruit black Detroit because we don’t have the bandwidth of individuals who work with us to be able to consistently go on these communities and stuff. So it’s like representing patient and availability matters because when people become comfortable with you, that’s when you start having a good conversation. Full of conversations, things from like yes and no responses to I’ve been experiencing this or I’ve been going on through this. So it’s one of those things also where African Americans, you know, like when you start thinking about this agenda. So as well says that you thinking about is like, when you see a perversion of healthcare, where it’s like, okay, it’s a white physician and she’s being standing more up in the rural south and I think Matilda or the scottsboro boys or Tulsa Oklahoma the riots or whatever the case may be. And it’s because I was falsely accused by a woman that I did something that I didn’t. And now that, you know, I’m having diabetes or hypertension and, you know, my genitals aren’t working like the way that I normally normally do and I’m supposed to show them to her by this antithetical to the way that I was raised, right? We have some other reflects you being it’s more of a conversation where you can talk about the illness that’s happening. So I totally believe have to figure out how to make that happen. Give me a job. What’s up, it’s just postdoc. Why keep telling you, I’m in the middle of all these right now. You know, between UCSF and Stanford and UC Davis and, you know, there’s all kinds of great university hospitals out here. I don’t know what you want to do when you’re done with that. How much more time do you have left? The countdown is started. I only got like ten months before I don’t have the pulse dot. So I’ll be on a job plan in a little bit, you know? Just trying to see what’s what else is out there. I mean, you taught me good to me. I don’t know if this is forever, but you know I’m definitely just playing my options and just trying to put myself in the best position. I had an opportunity to go to Detroit. Maybe a week ago for Labor Day, jazz bass, and granted the deaths best moved to like online, but it was just an amazing experience and I got a chance to hang out with flights of family redundant scenes since. My grandmother passed on 2018 and I was just like, man, you just kind of see like an opportunity here. I mean, they got like these prominent neuropsychological facilities downtown. They got a couple things in the suburb, but it’s like the rest of the city that’s 80% of African American 630,000 people. And it’s just like, what can I do with that? I mean, but I mean, these are the scenarios that kind of think about. I mean, I fell in love with Chicago. And I did so much community outreach in terms of Alzheimer’s awareness in the city of Chicago, that like, man, you know, maybe there’s a chance where I can kind of like, you know, Rick the seeds that I’ve sold like years ago.

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I mean, Dallas was just a good time. It’s a joy now, Texas was phenomenal. But you know you tell you know, I’m just kind of like working and everything’s going on the right direction. So I’m going to do some real life decisions to support and it’s just things that have to come up bigger out on the Midwest guy, you know, my mom’s gonna look older. Don’t wanna be close to her home, do I want to live my own life? You know, I mean it’s just like little things that you kind of think about as you progress. Yup. It’s amazing. I thought life got easier. Was dramatic questions to answer. And I could guarantee you that doesn’t happen, so. Well, now we’ve put it out there in the universe. Christopher will be looking for a job and I think when this comes out about 8 months, so maybe somebody knows something and they can contact me and then they can they should be able to find you through me easily too. So you never know, we’ve something cool. I know you see Davis Santa’s interesting research where they’re looking at African Americans and stuff. I forget the I forget their resource program specifically by the way. That’s kind of cool. So I don’t know. We’ll see what the future holds. We’ll take a crapshoot. It’s been the find out where you’re gonna end up. Yeah, ’cause where we’re going. You know, was never, ever, ever a consideration. And then the friend said, oh, we’re gonna probably move up here and I was devastated because I’m like, well, great. You know, like my social life got blown up with COVID and now my best Friends are going to move an hour and a half away. This is not cool. And now we’re going up there and it opened up a whole opportunity that I didn’t know existed, so it’s like being opened opportunities is helpful too. And, you know, you just never know which way life’s gonna take you if we didn’t learn that last year that, you know, some invisible virus can just upend the entire globe. Well, I have no hope for you to learn these things. So I know you have to run back out to the hospital. This is a fantastic conversation. Back to work and then maybe you can enjoy your weekend. Fingers crossed, and it’s going to be a visit weekend. I got so much work I got inclusively. But I’m gonna find some way to enjoy it, though. That’s for sure. What’s the weather like in Utah right now? 60°. I don’t know. Same here. Yes, 86° is hot, but it’s not as hot as it has been. So I don’t know, hopefully I get on a bike right around the town a little bit, you know? We’ve been doing that a lot because after 13 months of waiting, my husband finally got his road bike. And while it came in July while we were on a road trip, and then we got home, you picked it up and it’s like he’s losing weight because he’s riding more, just, you know, just one little simple change makes improves your life. So that’s kind of what these conversations are about might spark an idea to make one simple change that makes things better. Yeah, you’re right, you’re right. Writing a bike and doing boxing classes have been like amazing for me. So awesome. I will let you get back to work and I appreciate this. Absolutely. I appreciate you too. We gotta do this again. Definitely. Did you know that many Parkinson’s patients use boxing to help them keep their tremors down and their balance intact for as long as possible? I had a neighbor who has Parkinson’s and that is what he has been doing, and he is doing remarkably well. So when Christopher says that cycling and boxing have really helped improve his life, there really is actually some serious benefits to it. Plus, you know, punching things is probably a good stress release. I know I enjoyed it when I did kickboxing at the gym. I hope you enjoy these conversations. It’s difficult to tie Christopher down to one topic because he is such a great advocate for brain health and aging well and he is such a wide range of information that we just have the best time discussing all things, brain health. Coming up next week, I have a very interesting conversation with a group of students from the University of Texas. They are talking about care partner support, you’re definitely going to want to tune in because you may be able to participate in the study and you’re definitely going to learn some new tips. Are you looking for relevant, trustworthy health, wellness, and lifestyle information? I’m joining the launch of retreat. Retreat is a first of its kind, free social media app that focuses solely on health wellness and lifestyle content. The platform hosts live, interactive audio chats, led only by vetted health experts while allowing experts and users to post and share videos, pictures, and thought pieces.

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